Laminin is not proof of Jesus. Sorry.

You know that phenomenon where you can go your entire life never meeting anyone named Stewart, until suddenly you meet three different Stewarts in the course of a single month? That’s the deal with this new “argument” for Christianity. I’ve never heard it before, and all of a sudden I see three separate references to it within a week. So either it’s a new argument, or someone is fucking with me.

I’m officially calling it “The Argument from Shit that Looks Jesus-ey.”

The most common instance of it is in this YouTube video, where it’s used by some preacher named Louie Giglio, who I’m guessing wasn’t a microbiology major.

It’s an eight-minute video, so let me sum it up for you. Laminins are glycoproteins that play an important part in the structural makeup of nearly every tissue in living organisms (including humans). They’re crucial for the survival of living tissue and the regeneration of new tissue, as with muscles or the liver.

So what’s the catch? Well, Christians seem to think they look like this:

Heyyy… wait a minute. That looks suspiciously like those things Mexicans get tattooed on their chests. (What? I can use that joke. My dog is Mexican.)

Well, what a coincidence. The bible has a passage (Col 5:17) which claims, metaphorically, that Jesus binds all things together. And here’s a protein in our bodies that does just that… and it totally resembles the thing he died on. It’s a miracle! Jesus is real and gayness is an abomination. Hallelujah.

Don’t pop that cork yet, Christians. Unfortunately the Argument from Microscopic Proteins that Look Kinda Like the Thing Jesus Was Nailed To totally fails.

First of all, this isn’t what they look like. This is a graphical representation of a laminin glycoprotein, used to simplify the layout for the purpose of analysis and illustration.

In reality, laminins look like this.

Sure, some of those might look vaguely like crosses. Others look like the Greek letter psi. Some look like ray guns. But it’s quite clear that the cross shape was merely a useful way for scientists to represent the makeup of these proteins, and was in no way a statement on how they occur in nature.

Second, take a closer look at that graphical representation. Notice the helix pattern on the bottom leg of the purported “cross.” Last I checked, the Christian cross didn’t include said helix. Actually, the more I look at it, the more it looks like…

Zounds! It’s a caduceus!

Most of you probably know this as the “medical symbol.” But its origin is the Staff of Hermes. Hermes, for those in the know, is the Greek messenger of the gods. This was the staff he carried.

Clearly this means the Greek gods are real. Not the Hebrew gods.

Right?

Obviously, no Christian would accept this reasoning in support of the Greek gods. So why would they actually try using a graphical representation of one particular protein in the human body as support for their god?

The answer is simple. They have no real evidence. If they did, they wouldn’t have to make these desperate attempts to rationally justify simple pariedolia as proof of their deity.

What a major fail. This is what happens when irrational people open science books.

86 thoughts on “Laminin is not proof of Jesus. Sorry.

  1. Answers in Genesis, in the person of Georgia Purdom, a YEC molecular geneticist, has a different take from Giglio’s:

    Starting with unaided reasoning and reading our own ideas into the Bible can lead us to all sorts of absurd conclusions. For example, the Ebola virus, which causes a horrific form of hemorrhagic fever that usually results in death, happens to have the structure of what is commonly referred to as a shepherd’s crook. The Bible tells us that Jesus is the Good Shepherd (John 10:14). So, if the shape of laminin supports the biblical truth that Christ holds all things together, then what would we conclude about the Good Shepherd from the shape of the Ebola virus? And if laminin can represent a cross, then why not a sword (Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12)? As Christians, we cannot allow our fallible, finite interpretations to supersede the Word of God (2 Peter 1:20).

    ‘Course, her basic argument is that physical evidence is fallible so we should disregard it. 🙂

    • I am also amazed with this laminin thing discovery!
      Praise God for giving us this type of Molecules in our body to support every living cells we have.

      But have you ever heard about Laminine too? the one with “e”?
      The new Science Breakthrough
      Laminine, the Stem Cell Enhancer

      more info at: http://lamininestemcell.com

      Thanks and God Bless!

    • Don’t you get depressed being you, trying to disprove the existence and wonder of God? Man, what a meaningless life you must live.

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  3. … well at least you have had you eyes on the truth – the word of God.
    You have seen that Jesus died for YOU on that “thing” called a Cross!
    Awesome! Keep reading. ***** JOHN 3: 16. *****
    Jesus is the Truth !!!

  4. You have tried to denie Jesus, and yet you totally opened up a discussion for our savior!!! Jesus will use even the unbeliever to have him Glorified!!! Now you have Christisns the very chance to share their love of the Lord!!! Jesus is working through you!!! Denie it?!? But here we are talking about the Lord!!! Jesus holds us in the very palm of his hand.. Jesus holds on to us, even the unbelievers!!! Just like Louie Giglio says, Jesus is right here!!! All you have to do is turn around and meet him!!!! Thank you for opening this discussion of Jesus!!! It proves again, that even through the unbeliever Jesus will be Glorified!!!!! Amen, just turn around and your savior will be right there!!!! Praise Jesus

  5. For not believing in Jesus u sure put a lot of effort in trying to figure out how to prove the Bible wrong. Maybe u have second thoughts or deep down inside u k ow it’s true, so time and time again u feel u need to convince urself by dissecting the Bible and every possible what if. Here is a good what if, what if it is true and u burn in hell? What if u follow the word of God and believe it and see how ur life changes. If u think its not true y do u swrite half a page trying to pro e it wrong? Try reading the Bible a chapter a day for 7 days and see how u will be blessed. God bless you unbelieversO:-) just try reading. I once said I ain’t gonna read but now I’ve experienced for myself how it blesses ur life.

    • First off, it’s hard to take you seriously if you don’t have the courtesy to use proper grammar, spelling and punctuation. It actually kinda makes you look stupid.

      Second, your overall point is ludicrous. Especially since the same concept can be applied to you. Example, “You know, for someone who believes so fervently that Jesus is your savior, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to prove his existence.” The truth is important. If a belief isn’t true, and if that belief causes real damage to society, I have a moral obligation to challenge that belief. Plain and simple.

      Third, the same “what-if” scenario can be applied to you. And in fact, it can be applied to absolutely anyone. What if you’re wrong, and Muslims are right? What if you’re wrong and Hindus are right? What if God is only going to let people into heaven who were rational enough to acknowledge that there is absolutely no evidence for his existence?

      This thinking is quite pathetic. The threat of a Christian hell is no more likely than any other afterlife offered by any number of other religions. What reason do I have to believe it’s true? None. Plus, I don’t negotiate with terrorists anyway.

      Finally, you err in assuming I haven’t read the bible. If you’d read a little more of my blog, you’d know that I used to be a pretty devout Christian. Before I grew up, that is. I’ve read the entire bible. Several times. Complete with all the errors, inconsistencies and morally repugnant content. So I’d say, of the two of us, perhaps you’re the one that needs to read more. Perhaps a book other than the Bible…

      • blackjeezus,
        I’m the one who’s sorry; for you. It is sad to know you have the truth but refuse it. Laminin is not the issue. Here’s what is going on: “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened (Romans 1:20-21) (but you knew that). That is the issue. You did not “used to be a Christian” because salvation cannot be lost. You were never saved. The really sad thing is that I’m not sure if you can be – you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. However, God does know, and I do know that it is His will for all to come to repentance and believe. You need to ask the LORD to change your heart. You need to repent. You need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, hell will be a lot more real to you in the future. I’m not just trying to scare you (although you need to fear), I’m just telling you what Jesus himself said (Luke 12:5). I know you don’t think you need it, but I’ll pray for you.

      • If you “find it hard to take someone serious” simply because they are less proficient than you on a computer, or possibly not as educated as you, why do you bother responding at all to them? Why do you choose to belittle them and call them stupid instead of reading their response with an open mind and responding with honest discourse?
        He never questioned your previous biblical readings, he only asked if your’e willing to read a single chapter per day from the Bible for the next 7 days. The words used towards you were kind, but you responded in a derogatory and dismissive manner, and made it clear you believe yourself to be a person of moral and educational superiority.
        I think it’s ironic you degrade someones poor grammar in one sentence, and then use “kinda” in the following sentence as though it’s a word you can find in the dictionary. You then continue your illogical inconsistencies by attempting to turn his assertion around back on him, but claiming his single paragraph his single paragraph response is equivalent in time to your post (not to mention your entire blog) has no basis in reality. Your illogical inconsistencies continue when you say that if Muslims are right it means Christians must be wrong. I’m surprised that someone who claims to have read the Bible multiple times doesn’t know that God and Allah are the same deity, and just like Catholics and Protestants are headed to the same place, so are Jews and Muslims, The difference is the path to salvation,

  6. We give you thanks LORD …. in the MAN it will be YOU LORD ONLY YOU STANDING …. AND FOR SPELLING GOD KNOWS OUR HEARTS THATS ALL THAT MATTERS …. GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN INCLUDING YOU BLACK JEEZUS … WAITING FOR YOUR RETURN 🙂

  7. I feel sorry for you for denying the cross and JESUS CHRIST the REDEEMER..and Shame on you…you have the trade mark [laminin) of the CREATER (GOD ALMIGHTY] in you…and that is the proof that Colosians 1: 15 – 17 is true for you too..When you arrive in HELL..satan himself will be there to admit the LAMININ structure confirms the WORD OF GOD….

  8. Okay first of do you know how many times I’ve seen someone putting on a bunch of trash about denying the Lord and if he gets a comment he doesn’t like he criticize some guys spelling come on are you for real man? I any case think you guys do it because you don’t like loosing then you try something to “try and make that person feel bad” just a little advise I think you need to keep in mind next time you try to criticize a child of God just leave it you’re gonna waste you energy cause you see things like that just don’t get to us, and God looks at you’re heart He could care less about you’re spelling, now if I’m you the way someone spells would be the least of my worries cause you’ve got issues my friend. I’m not even gonna argue on the way you see Laminin or God cause I know He is as much as alive as you and me, I’m just glad you actually believe in God, cause if you didn’t you wouldn’t have started this argument now would you? And another thing I’m insanely excited about is the fact that you actually own a bible that’s neat, and its actually a good way getting started you know what I’m looking forward on that ONE message you’re gonna leave us all, I just hope for you’re sake its not to late buddy. O and another thing that “thing” Jesus died in for your sins that you don’t know the name of is called a cross “and you wanna criticize some guy on spelling” ya it was made from a tree that He created nice one hey grow a tree for you’re Son to be crucified on for some human who’s gonna deny You and yet You still love him, one last thing, I’m not a Christian, I’m a child of God BIG DIFFERENCE, but you’ll see that for yourself one of these days. PS, GOD LOVES EVERY TINY Laminin HE Created in every human on this planet especially you.

    • Spelling is important. It shows respect for the other person and the language you speak. It’s also a sign of a good education. It’s true that atrocious spelling doesn’t necessarily mean a flawed argument, but it can be used as a good indicator of poor education.

      If you’d bothered to read more than just the first paragraph of that comment, you’d have noticed that spelling and grammar weren’t the full extent of my criticism. I responded thoroughly and directly to his points. You didn’t mention any of those.

      I find it interesting that at no point in your comment did you address any of my points. This has become commonplace for nearly every comment that Christians like you (and yes, you are a Christian; it’s a simple matter of nomenclature) leave on my blog posts. Rather than bring forward any real evidence for your beliefs, you focus your criticisms on my tone or on one irrelevant sentence or paragraph, as if it makes the case for Christianity any less hopelessly flawed.

      So I recommend that you do your research, both on your holy book and on me. If you had done that beforehand, you’d know that I was a devout Christian for nearly 22 years before I admitted to myself that there is no good reason to believe in a god. This is after reading many different books (including the Bible, in it’s entirety, multiple times).

      But if I may be frank, I’m pretty sure attempting to make a case for Christianity will end up being a waste of your time, as not only is the evidence severely lacking, but you also appear to be way out of your league.

      • 2 Peter 2:15-22

        15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

        17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”

        20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

  9. Am hey its me again yeah boy you make me laugh, now don’t get me wrong not like in the way haha this guy is hilarious but like hehe this guy is gonna be saved before he realizes it, my friend we don’t try to proof Gods existence we just like telling others how marvelous He is we don’t need to proof He exist He does that all by Himself, and ya (what if) am muslims hindus Buddha and all other gods that other nations worship THEIR DEAD my friend not one of them tried to die for the souls who’s captured in their own little crazy lying world, Jesus is ALiVE how do you think you breathe every second no I’m sorry not buddha or any other statue gives you life cause if they could wouldn’t they rather wanna give them self life first I mean why be dead and let people bow before you and you don’t even know it, and one more fact if buddha or Muhammad and all those other statues end up in a fire they’ll either burn to dust or burst and just burn they can’t even save them self ya think of it if you and your beloved statue end up in a fire and you wait for it to save you, the chances that you’ll die is pretty big, BUT you say you’ve read the bible a few times already now you remember that peace were the 3 men ended up in a fire cause they refused the believe the way you do? (Forgive me I’m a afrikaans speaking person so I don’t know the names is english) but later on there was four men which the fourth one was Jesus, and thinking of it not one of them had but a scratch on them. Why do you read the bible if you don’t believe it, I’ll tell you why, cause your hungry for something keep on reading you’ll find it.

    • Too much inanity to respond to. Some key points:

      am muslims hindus Buddha and all other gods that other nations worship THEIR DEAD my friend not one of them tried to die for the souls who’s captured in their own little crazy lying world, Jesus is ALiVE

      [citation needed]

      I hate to break this to you, but Jesus is dead. That is, if he even existed. You have no evidence that he rose from the dead. What you have are second and third-hand accounts written decades after the supposed “resurrection.” Do your research. The earliest Gospel (Mark) wasn’t even penned until around 70 CE.

      If I told you someone resurrected from the dead (someone other than Jesus), and that I personally didn’t see it, but a friend of a friend did, thirty years ago, would you believe me? Probably not. So why should I accept it for the case of your Messiah.

      BUT you say you’ve read the bible a few times already now you remember that peace were the 3 men ended up in a fire cause they refused the believe the way you do?

      You keep talking about these events as if they actually happened. These stories are folklore. Like The Iliad, or Grimm’s Fairy Tales. Just because a story is written in a book does not mean that it happened. You need evidence to claim that. You have none.

      • Let us not disqualify the history the Bible gives us, nor the witnesses. All human history was written by men, therefore by your standards, we should disqualify it all as none of us were there to witness it. Sound stupid? Of course. Not only does the Bible give all historical details of the times and genealogies, but gave us 4, count them, 4 witnesses to the life of Jesus Christ, who actually met and lived with Him..many more than what history may give us for any one event and even most of those were from third or fourth party hearsay. Come on now. You need to stop being ridiculous using this argument.

      • Hello,
        Just suppose that you’re gonna die, and you need a special fruit, the only one through wich you can stay alive.
        If I’m telling you, that in my garden there is the tree that gives this only healing fruit that can save you, because it has saved me when I was dying like you, from the same disease, because I ate this fruit and it gave me life again. Even if you never saw my garden, and this tree, and this fruit, what would you do ? Believe me or not ? Accept to eat or not the fruit I’m giving to you because I have experienced it ?
        That is why God said to us in the Bible, that only our faith in Jesus Christ can save us, even if we never saw him in real. The faith is to believ in the things that we don’t see, just with our heart.
        Every day we believe a lot of people taht are saying lots of things that we never saw, and just by faith we believe them : through medias for example, or through friends frome friends. Why not from those who says that they experienced the presence of Jesus Christ in their life ?
        It is through the testimony of the Glory of God, through Jesus Christ, from those who knew Him or know His presence nowadays personaly that you can believe, and also through the written word of His Word, the Bible.
        Everyone can live thinking themselves Christian during long years, but without knowing the real Christ personally.
        That was my case during more then your 22 years. I did not know at that time the presence of Jesus Christ personnaly because I never gave him my heart and life. I knew a wrong Jesus, not the one living one. Now I’m experiencing the presence of the Living and resurrected Jesus and it is among all what I could have expected, His Love is so above all what we can imagine.
        Once I gave my heart to Jesus Christ, God did what he promised, he baptised me in the holy spirit, and I personnaly experienced what the Bible said : “and the Love of the father will flow in your heart through the Holy spirit that is givent to you”. I physically and in my entire body feel that the spirit of the father is in me. It is like a river of Love flowing in me and through me.
        And I can know testify to you that the entire Bible is true, because I experienced it and every day it is now like that. This is the most deep experience someone can ever live in his life : the renewing of his spirit, his heart and his body through Jesus Christ.
        I can say to you, yes Jesus died. But he is no more dead. He was resurrected, because I know his Love personaly and I have a relation ship with the Father through his Holy spirit.
        And a living Relationship cannot be experienced with a dead Jesus. He is really alive. Eternaly alive.
        Signs, miracles nowadays as before gives us also the proof that He is living, bringing Healing and life instead of death and pain.
        As He is the same, before, now and forever, it is simple to understand. He do the same today that He was doing when God came through Him to save us 2000 years ago.
        I personaly hear the Holy Spirit speaking to me one or two time, for the moment. God want to reveal himself to those who desire to know Him.
        Know I know why I did not know him before, because my heart was not completely opened to him and and did not understand with the revelation of the holy spirit what the Bible says about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God is pure Love and even if we are not faithful, He is always faithful.
        May be you were wounded by something that made you turn your back to the real Christ, but He loves you more than that. He just loves you with an eternal Love, forever. The only thing you have to do to come to him is to turn around and give him your heart. Nothing is more sweet than to personnaly experiment His perfect Love that can fill everything in you. And life change forever then for the best (even in hard moments, Jesus Christ full your heart with his peace and joy).
        May be the bad one who wants your death used a wound to take your far from Jesus ? The ennemy of our souls acts always like that : using our weaknesses to take us far from Jesus, with rebellion in our heart.
        But the father don’t blame you. He is just waiting that you come back home.
        I’m saying to you, yes, I experienced it, so that I can write to you today.
        The Bible is not a book like another book, it is written inspired from the Holy spirit himself. It is the Word. Nad Jesus is the Word. So…Jesus is to be know not only through the Relationship of the spirit, but through the reading of the Bible too. If you ask God with a very sincere heart to show you who he is through his Word, he will show you,and you will be saved from spiritual death.
        You stay free to believe me or not and to accept or not to eat the same fruit of the tree of life that I have eaten and that took me out of death.
        God bless you whatever you’ve done. Jesus Christ is the tree of life, the name above all name, He is waiting for you. It is never too late, and He will not reject you. He is the one that offered his life so that you can be saved. This is the perfect gift, it just depends on you to accept it or not. To eat the fruit of eternal life from the garden.
        To be fed a heart must be hungry, to be watered a heart must be thirsty : are you hyngry, are you thirsty to know the real God, through Jesus Christ ? If not may be you’re not realizing enough that you’re dying until you’re really dying. It was my case. It is never too late with God. He wants everybody to know Him, that is why he always answers to the one that, more or less desperately, call Him. Your value has no limit at His eyes, because he has payed an infinite price for you.
        He knows absolutely everything from you and all the suffering or your heart and body, and he will heal your wounds with his absolutely perfect kindness, and his all powerfullness.
        N.B. Sorry for some mistakes in my English, I’m not fluent because I’m french.

  10. You know what forget about the spelling for once in your life and think about yourself…. Just for a second close your eyes and think about you’re life. What do you feel? I’m not here to proof no one wrong I’m not here to proof a point, but you know what I AM A CHILD OF GOD. Why do you talk about Him if you don’t believe? I wanna tell you something that I’ve learned in my life and I’m still young, every person in this world has had a bad experience already, no one knows what is in the others heart but if we knew we maybe would have taken each others feelings more seriously, I’m a easy person I don’t think big about myself cause you know why? I’m nothing when it comes to My God. Just like I wonder what makes you say all this things what happened in your life that you feel this way, you probably wonder what makes me feel this way about God, I wanna tell you something if you’re alone and have not but one person who’ll stand by you in situations if you have no friends you feel alone right? If people had hurt you so much already every person in you’re life had turned against you even your dad or mom, and you should hate them for that, tell me why do I still love them so bad, why can I forgive even you who say this things about the only one who never failed me yet? Its love my friend and that Bible is all about love if you don’t have love in your heart you’ll never understand it never. I’m talking from my heart to you I feel so sorry for you not knowing what happened in you’re life that you hate God so much and as in this moment I’m crying not for my feelings but for you. Why because even if I don’t know you and you’ve said a bunch of bad things about my Father I have just in this moment as I’m writing this message to you learned to love you, tell me why is that why can you walk past someone in the street and love that person and you don’t even know his name, why can you love someone who is thousands of miles away from you, you don’t even know what he looks like, I have one answer and it makes sense to me, the love of God… It doesn’t matter if our laminin is in a shape of a cross what matter is God created us he made you, I can imagine what it must of been like hanging on a tree knowing you’re giving you’re life to people who don’t even care about you I can imagine what it must be like seeing the hate in ones eyes but yet you love him, I know you feel what if He doesn’t exist I know you feel what if you give you’re life to Him with the hope you’re gonna see Him someday but you have the fear of being disappointed, you know what I’d rather give my life to Him now living the fullest sacrificing every earthly matter on this world and have hope to meet Him someday, and even if it ends up being a huge disappointment which I know for sure won’t be,than giving up on my hope because I’m afraid of disappointments and find out that he came and I was left behind because of fear, cause if He doesn’t come, but He will, I can still live my life hoping He’ll come and never be disappointed because I won’t know, than finding out He came you won’t be able to fix it then it will be to late, you ask yourself what if Buddha or Muhammad is the real “god” not one of them call the people who worship them their children, not one of them promised to come get them, not one of them sacrificed their own lives for them, Jesus did. Just close you’re eyes and tell me what do you feel I’m not asking much.

  11. I’m feeling I know what happened in your life because you see God tells us things He shows us He sends His Holly spirit to show us this things I also know you know some of His ways, you have experienced God In your own way but something happened and it changed it all, I’m not gonna say what it is on this page cause a lot of people can read it, if you wanna talk private my email address is cariskacloete@gmail.com , but I just wanna tell you from one heart to another don’t let what happened in you’re past ruin what you can have in your future its not worth it.

  12. your comments amazes me really but you know no matter what you say I’m not gonna stop believing in God quickly tell me what do you think is hope?

  13. One more thing just an example of our magnificent creator, just before you told me the bible is “like a fairy tale” God showed me that’s how you see His word. I can tell you a lot of things God showed just in this moment.

  14. We respectfully want to offer our opinion. We just think it is pretty cool that laminin looks like a cross. Jesus does not need this as proof that He exists. Because He IS.

    Here is the point we want to bring up though: the caduceus. The caduceus was originated at least 1000 years before the Greeks got a hold of it. In fact, it was with Moses in around 1500 BC that the caduceus has it’s origin.

    Look at the most widely read chapter of the Bible: John 3. In John 3:14, Jesus speaks of Moses creating a caduceus because God instructed Moses to do so. In Numbers 21 (in the Old Testament) the Israelites had been bitten by snakes and were dying. If the people looked at the bronze snake on a pole that Moses had assembled, they would live. Jesus (incredulously) compared Himself to this snake on a pole in John 3:14. For those who believe in Him will live. The caduceus is not originally Greek. It is from God. Everything always is.

    And that is our point.

    • The caduceus symbol actually pre-dates the Old Testament by at least a thousand years (seal cylinders of Mesopotamia, 3000-4000 BCE). Just another example of the Bible borrowing its mythology from a bunch of other ancient religions.

      Nice try, though.

      • How do you know? Weren’t those written by mere men? We weren’t there to witness any of it, so how can you be so sure of your information or theirs? If you’re going to use this excuse w/ the Bible how can you be so gullible as to believe these other writers? Now, where is your proof that God does not exist or that Jesus Christ is not Lord and King of all things without using the writings of others?

  15. Isn’t it also true that potassium channels in our brain resemble swastikas?
    Therefore if this cross holds us all together, we must all think like Nazis cause in everyone’s brain there’s a little bit of hitler.

    As well don’t a lot of christians reject scientific concepts UNLESS the concept themselves back up something from the bible.

    I like your breakdown of this concept, and all your replies are educated. I applaud you.

  16. I can not believe any of what I just read! But blk j. U have to have FAITH in our lord Jesus Christ! Laminen!!! Is a incredible micro piece of something which binds us together!!! WHO CARES what you believe is to be real or not! But there is one thing that allows us into Heaven and that is to believe and have FAITH in something you can not see!! It doesn’t matter what myself or any other Christian may remarks on your post! You have one person who is able to pass judgment on you! Only u can alter where u spend eternity!

  17. For one thing, Jesus is real. It’s not like we’re using laminin as the ONLY argument to back our faith–we’re using it as further evidence for our faith and our Lord Jesus Christ. Also, look at a picture of the black hole in the center of the Darling of the Universe to see another picture similar to this. Instead of something in our bodies, it’s something that is completely unrelated, and it’s not just an artist’s rendition of the image. It’s a real picture. I hope God speaks to your heart and shows you the truth–that He is real and that He loves you despite your unbelief.

  18. I will say this. When I first saw the molecule diagram, I saw both the cross and the medical symbol- the staff of Hermes. So, to say that someone would not recognize it is a bit rude. It is one of the most famous medical symbols. Science is just catching up the the existence of G.O.D. and the awesome healing power of Jesus. That power exist in all of us- by my life, I know of what I speak.

  19. It is impossible to graft new ideas on a closed mind. Thank you “Black jeezus.” “Christians” and other religious fanatics never cease to amaze me with their ability to use logic, reason, the scientific method, and intelligence to varying degrees in most other areas of their lives, and yet can turn all of those mental faculties off when it comes to their particular religious belief systems. It doesn’t seem to bother them that they demand proof and truth in all other areas of life, but are perfectly ok with cognitive errors in reasoning, contradictions, and hypocrisy in the religious material they cherry pick through while reading, and in their belief systems. Truth will prevail over religious authority ass their religios worldview becomes smaller and smaller.

  20. Faith isn’t just believing something- it is belief and behavior. It is believing something and taking action in accordance with what we believe.

    This post of mine is the overflow of my love for Jesus,that as long He holds my hand, i will praise and thank Him for people like you because through you His grace is so evident, His love so unmeasurable and His glory undeniable.

    God bless! 🙂

  21. Funny . . . Laminin, if taken as a cross-shaped molecule, could also represent an upside down cross.
    Those poor Christians are just so desperate to find more proof.

    If they want to try using science to prove something, that means they are also must support the use of logic. Let them try weaseling out of this one:

    Can anyone imagine the logistical nightmare of trying to crowd 7,770,000 species inside a small ship of only 2,033,500 cubic feet? Even ignoring the fact that they would not fit, can you image one family organizing this, preparing the ship, all the provisions . . . today?

    Keeping them from eating each other, feeding them every day for about a year . . . . hauling out all the dung . . . . on a ship at sea?

    24 hours x 60 minutes =1440 minutes a day
    1440 minutes a day x 60 seconds = 34,560 seconds per day
    7,770,000 species / 34,560 = time allotted to feed each species, and clean out their dung . . . . in seconds per day = .0044479 seconds

    Well, I guess that blows that theory out of the water, and that is not even considering that species come in pairs, that those who feed the animals must feed themselves, defecate, and sleep . . . . ”

  22. 1. Don’t confuse religion (man made) with the truth of God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit (Trinity).
    2. True Christians (children of God/believers in Christ) don’t need proof of Jesus.
    3. Don’t confuse Bible head knowledge with revelation and understanding from the Holy Spirit.
    Hebrews 8:10,16, Jeremiah 31:33.
    4. Go outside at night, look up at the sky (MAJESTIC CREATION) not man made and think again.
    5. Jesus loves you more than you will ever know. You living is the proof of that.
    6. Psalm 92:6, Proverbs 18:2. Fools won’t understand.
    7. I don’t serve laminin, I serve Jesus Christ, so His blood and what He did for me on the cross is far more important than how laminin looks… small things amuse small minds…
    8. Don’t allow satan to blind you to the truth, rather use your efforts to search for God with all your heart.
    9. I don’t even need to convince you, what you believe is your choice, I do hope you make the right one.
    10. Many ppl will leave their faith in the last days…… 1 Tim 4:1. Beware of false Christians.
    11. Do you perhaps need an encounter with God to be convinced… we live by faith not by sight.
    12. Prayer is the key to heaven but faith unlocks the door.
    13. Every man makes his own choices, SERVING JESUS CHRIST IS A CHOICE, no one forces you.

  23. Listen “buddy” just because you don’t believe in Jesus doesn’t mean he isn’t real. Do you think that a freaking star up in the galaxy just exploded and ta-da a whole galaxy with eight planets just showed up. Oh and it just so happens that one of those planets was habitable, so mother nature decided; oh I see a puddle that has a bunch of chemicals in it, blasted lightning on it and a monkey appeared? It also “just so happens that that pool of water had laminin, vitamins, intestines, etc., etc. Wow I can’t believe that this 12 year old sitting behind this computer right now is smarter than the what; 20 or 30 year old dude who thinks and believes this. Hmm, I wonder what some people might think of this comment. :):):):)

  24. I am just amazed at the mentality expressed here about the “cross”. They talk about the “zombie apocalypse”? We are living it today. Christians devoid of thought coming at you to eat what you have left of your brains.The onslaught is endless and ruthless.
    Help us Obi-wan Kenobi, you’re our only hope. (that was a joke!)

  25. I am 31 years old and this is the first time I’ve ever heard about lamimin. I’ve been saved since and I’ve never needed anything to convince me of the existence of God or his son Jesus Christ because I have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of me.

    But God knew people like you would exist and thats exactly why he said “the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.”

    Kind of crazy that Scripture was written by King Solomon of Israel and his documented as Israel His in The Proverbs of Solomon King of Israel. And where the word of a King is there is Power. Your problem isn’t that you don’t believe in God. It’s that you know in your heart that he is very much real and you choose to deny him with your mouth. Also try reading the Complete works of Josephus more History of Israel by an eye witness of course a foolish person will also deny this even tho it Is also part of the Israel National History Collection.

    You will stand before God one day sir. And it will then be too late. And you’ll have no choice but to bow before the KING OF KiNGS and the LORD of LORDS and then you will confess the Jesus Christ is Lord.

    Now come back with your futile denying of the Lord and trying to convince yourself and others that God isn’t real.

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved. Romans 10:13

    All who read this that have never accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour please do not wait any longer. Accept him today.

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, Thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

    For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

    • @ John.

      I would encourage you to read this carefully . . . . do not skim over it, because you will come out with nothing if you do . . . When I was your age, I thought the same thing as you, but fortunately, while I was in Europe, I came across a German fellow who told me some things that made me think . . .

      First, you can’t read one book, (I would encourage you to keep reading it though, because the more you read, the more that you will find that is wrong with it.) and think you have the keys to the universe.
      Have you read any books on Earth Science or Evolution, and compared it to what you believe?

      Your belief is that you are being guided by a spirit that is essentially good and loving. However, what you should be asking yourself is . . . . . is this really true? Do I see good fruit coming from it, or do I see rotten fruit coming from it? Consider, for example, the christian notion, (originating from the bible) that only selected people are saved. That in itself is a real problem with christianity . . . . it is a form of prejudicial thinking, because it is so selective. If I am truly loving, why would I want to condemn any and all non-believers to eternal hell-fire? . . . . something that even a parent would not want to do to their child, no matter what the child did. . . . We should care about ALL of humankind, not just some select group.

      You believe that yours is an omnipotent God, who created the universe, who is “love”. But, if you could create a universe, and you were indeed the embodiment of love, would you create a universe were sentient beings of that world would prey upon other sentient beings…….a world where it is necessary for beings to consume other beings in order to live? I think not.

      Then there is the comment by jesus in the bible, where he states that one absolutely MUST acknowledge that he is god, the savior . . . . Suppose that you go to your doctor because you are sick, and after the usual check-in, you are brought to the examination room. When your doctor comes in, there may be the short bit of small-talk, then he asks you your symptoms. You tell him, and then, to your utter astonishment, he says “Unless you acknowledge to me, that I am a doctor, and address me as Dr. Smith, I will not treat you.” I think that the average person, with any common sense, would not wait around to be treated by that so-called doctor! This anology can be applied to Jesus. Why does he insist that others acknowledge his title? Would someone with a normal bearing in life, having a title, (as would a true doctor) feel a need to have their title acknowledged?

      There are plenty of people who profit by keeping others away from enlightenment. The dissemination of lies is motivated mostly by greed, but also the want of power. It is a parasitical relationship.

      We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful god, who creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. Gene Roddenberry

      The biggest problem that tends to hold people back is that they stop asking questions, and believe that they have all the answers . . . . but the beginning of wisdom . . . . . is realizing how much you do not know.

      • The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Evolution is a fools believe. Also salvation isn’t for only a select few it is for any one who will accept him. The preaching of the cross to them that perish is foolishness.

      • I did not see you answer the question “Have you read any books on Earth Science or Evolution, and compared it to what you believe?” That can only mean one thing . . . . that you have not. I think that say volumes about who you are and why you harp on something that you clearly have no means to prove.

        The christian says “We don’t need the logical proof, we have faith! So . . . 2 + 2 = 8, and I don’t need to prove it, I have faith that 2 + 2 = 8. End of story! The married man says “WOW!! I like this “faith” stuff… I’ll NEVER be wrong!!! I’m going to go downstairs and practice it with my wife. YAHOO!!!”

  26. Can a god die?

    Can a god be created by statues?

    Is the statues proofs of a god?

    Is their any proofs that Jesus is alive or something?

    Well thier is proofs for Muslims that Allah EXISTS!!
    The one who you call Jesus real name is isa,and the one you think that has died on the cross wasn’t isa.

    He is a prophet in Islam and he didn’t die and Allah (God) raised him to the sky and he didn’t die,He WILL be reborned in this era,if you want to read his TRUE story here:
    http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/isa.html
    A WHOLE TRUE STORY!!

    Isa wasn’t a god,He wasn’t son of a god,He NEVER declared that he is God and he DIDN’T declare that he will judge people,He is a human being,A PROPHET of God ,TO PROOF that Allah EXISTS!!!!

    Muslims believe that Jesus was a precursor to Muhammad, and that he announced the latter’s coming. They base this on a verse of the Quran wherein Jesus speaks of a messenger to appear after him named Ahmad.Islam associates Ahmad with Muhammad, both words deriving from the h-m-d triconsonantal root which refers to praiseworthiness.

    And Muhammed appeared……

    That proofs that Allah exists and their is a lot of proofs just search for it and he is the only God and Jesus was not a god,I repeat,He was only A prophet of God,and Mary is Isa’s mother NOT his what ever you call it,she was his mother ,and Jesus,the one you call God,would marry a human?!why?why??whyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!

    The Quraan t states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God his Creator (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing the dead back to life, etc.) which no other prophet in Islam has ever been credited with, all by the permission of God rather than of his own power. According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, “God raised him unto Himself”.

    That is what Allah said,God said that!!
    The one who created you said that!!
    The one who knows what is in people hearts and knows what you are hiding and all of the secrets in the WORLD said that!!
    The one who is watching every single the thing and knows what happened in the history and knows what will happen in the future SAID THAAAT!!!!!!!

    How can’t you believe that?
    It’s not hard to believe what he said,not really hard.

    • “How can’t you believe that? . . . .
      It’s not hard to believe what he said, not really hard.”

      If you are naive, I do not suppose it is. Thousands of gods would most certainly exist . . . . if everyone who claimed to have friends in high places was telling the truth.

      • First ,I didn’t say anything about “friends in high places saying the truth”
        Second,Is there any proofs that there is “Thousands of gods” exists???

        At least Allah haves proofs,prophets and his holy Quran

      • Your “proof” has an incredibly low standard. You say that the Quran is proof . . . . so what. Christians say the bible is “proof”. Just because some 2000-year-old book says it does not make it true.

      • What about the prophets? Aren’t they enough to proof that?
        If you want proof of prophet Muhammed,his grave is in the mosqu in Saudi Arabia and his body didn’t turn into a skeleton or sand or anything ,it’s still their,and ,isn’t that a marical?or is thier a scientific reason for this?or do you care explain?

      • First, if you want to debate, you had better learn the English language better, because without that, I will eat your lunch.

        Earlier you said “Second,Is there any proofs that there is “Thousands of gods” exists???” That assertion was never made, if you could read English, you would know that that was worded as a hypothetical.

        As for a body not rotting, and you claiming that that is proof of someone being a “prophet”, I guess there are a whole lot of “prophets” in Egypt too, given that they have found mummies all over the place.
        Vladimir Lenin’s body is still around too, that does not make him a “prophet”.

      • Sorry for my horrible English,I am still learning but I am actually an Arabic person,so if you want to talk to me in Arabic I am ready.

        And those prophets you talked about in Egypt,They are Muslim and prophets of God.

        I didn’t mean that people dead body didn’t turn into skeleton are prophets,I meant HOW is it still here?

      • In the beginning I didn’t know who is Tutankhamun is,after I searched,it appeared that he is the one on the pharaoh’s graves,no,pharaoh him self wasn’t muslim,he was a king by the way,he was telling his people that he is their God,and Allah (God) sent a prophet to him and his people to be muslim but no,he refused,it is written in the Quran about how unjust he was,he hated Islam.

      • So your argument was that, because the body was preserved, it proved he was a prophet . . . . . and now you say that Tutankhamun was not a prophet . . . . . your “proof” has disappeared. You forgot about Vladimir Lenin again too.

      • you didn’t understand after all….

        Look,the prophet I mentioned earlier name was Moses,not Tutankhamen or valdimir linen.

        Tutankhamen was an Egyptian pharaoh and pharaoh was meant to be King or God,would a god send a prophet to tell people that he is the true God?what are you thinking???

        And whoever this Vladimir guy,I didn’t say he was Muslim or even talked about him but if you meant his body is still here,well,people had took care of his body as you can see in the wiki,but prophet Muhammad body is in a grave and still here.

        If you want me to explain anything,please ask clearly.

      • You yourself said “What about the prophets? Aren’t they enough to proof that? If you want proof of prophet Muhammed,his grave is in the mosqu in Saudi Arabia and his body didn’t turn into a skeleton or sand or anything ,it’s still their,and ,isn’t that a marical?”

        So, do you have a picture of this putatively preserved prophet, that you can show us as proof? Or, perhaps that is why pictures are forbidden . . . . . .

        Among those who worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime for others examine the laws of nuclear fusion.

      • If you don’t believe that prophet Muhammad is sent by God,then I will tell you what the prophet said,He said that if you had a dream and I was in this dream,then this is me,a lot of people had dreams of him and if you asked about a proof of that dream,all of them saw him like the same description,I even know people who dreamed of him.

        And one more thing,what the heck are you yapping about those who worship the sun and nuclear studies????

        The Islam was know from more than 1500 years,and the nuclear studies was discovered in this era!! What’s wrong with you man?!

      • A dream as proof? You have got to be joking . . . . . if I see a unicorn in my dream, I am suppose to believe in unicorns? Also, just because something is old, does not make it right . . . . take the theory that the Earth is the center of the universe for example. Also, if you cannot understand the meaning about the sun and nuclear studies, there is not much helping you. Work on learning English comprehension and come back in a few years.

      • As written in Quran: those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.

        So even if Allah did a miracle to you,you won’t believe.

        In the future Isa (Jesus) will be reborn as I told you,so when he actually be reborned won’t you believe?

        And what explanation do you have for the ones who dreamed of the exact Same person and haves the name Muhammad in the dream from people AROUND THE WORLD ?

      • I have not seen a thing from you that would constitute proof of a thing you say. I guess they never bothered to teach you logic, or the principles of scientific investigation. You read one book and think you know everything. There are plenty of old books like that, and just because it is old does not make it true.

      • See?you don’t have a thing to say about those dreams,I don’t know what you think of me but if you just think that I know every thing from a book,then you are wrong,I read many books and get a lot of proofs from books and from the Internet,by the way,you still didn’t answer me about the explanation that I asked for,and when you didn’t have a proof you just started insulting me by saying that I didn’t needed to learn about logic.
        Disbelievers won’t believe as God said.
        Tell me,you said that “just because it’s old doesn’t make it true”,even if you were in the day that Quran first was on earth you wouldn’t be Muslim right?

      • I said all I needed to say about dreams: they are not reliable sources, and prove nothing. As for the explanation you asked for, you asked about something you completely misunderstood, I never made any claim of multiple gods . . . . the statement was made in the grammatical form called “conditional”, which you failed to understand. You seem to think that you know English well enough to use it in a discussion, and I am telling you, you do not. Simple as that.

      • I didn’t say that you believe in multiple God or what ever,I simply asked you for a explanation about the dreams,you think the dreams are just imaginations only or what ever the brain makes by scenes the person saw or about his past?well no,some times a dream tells you about the future or if something good or bad is about to happen but you don’t know!
        Once a man works in the mosque that the prophet Mohammed grave is in,on a night he dreamed of a man getting prophet Mohammads body out of the grave,on the next day on the night only one person stayed till the middle of the night in the mosque and he started digging out the grave,they caught a man because of a dream,no scientific reason whatever it is,God wanted his body to stay in the grave that’s all!!
        Again I am terribly sorry for my horrible English.

      • Your words – “Second,Is there any proofs that there is “Thousands of gods” exists???”
        You can go back and read them if you do not believe what I just copy-pasted.

      • Okay,So now I know that you actually believe in multiple gods.

        So about what else did I write,you just ignored it.

        You don’t have anything to say after what you told you about that real miracle but if you do please say so.

      • Oh,I just remembered the hypothetical thing you said.

        You just ignored what I said again.

        And stop talking about my bad grammar and bad English.

      • Improve your bad grammar and bad English, and I will stop talking about it. I might even stop ignoring what you TRY to say.

      • Well,looks like you are trying to avoid my questions by saying that my English is bad from the beginning,because you don’t have any clue about the answers maybe?

        Lol,old tricks,using someones bad English to make them quit.

      • So you mean that you don’t understand my question?

        What is so wrong about “what explanation do you have for the ones who dreamed of the exact Same person and haves the name Muhammad in the dream from people AROUND THE WORLD ?”

        How can you not understand a question that explain it self?

      • I just translated what I wrote,it didn’t have any mistake,
        Well,I don’t think that there is any problem with the question after all but if you mean that you don’t understand what my question refers to.I will make it clear.

        But if you meant that my English is horrible,then even if you asked a kid about this question,then he will understand every single word by trying or by the first time he hears it,because if the kid didn’t know,he will ask about a part the part he didn’t understand and that is logic,telling me that I don’t understand logic?don’t make me laugh.

        In short:I don’t need to make my English better to rewrite this question.

      • Well,I asked you if you wanted it to be more clear but did you read what I just said?you can understand a sentence just by reading it,even if it had a simple mistake,you can just fix it or do you only use your mind to insult people.

        As I told you,prophet Muhammad said that if he appeared in a dream,then that is him not the imagination or whatever you think it is,Though he said that thousands years ago.

        so my question is:

        What is the explanation of the dream that had a prophet of it named Muhammad and he had the same characterization in every single dream that he appeared in?

      • Stop making excuses because you already said:

        “One cannot respond to something that is unintelligible”

        So you think you can respond to that question?
        of course you can’t,you don’t have an answer,we were talking for days and you were understanding me I assume,after asking you a simple clear question,you tried to avoid my quistions and started your jibber-jabber again about my bad English,I already apologized to you two or three times by now so please stop spamming and start to answer.

        By the way,I wrote “dream that had a prophet “””of””” it named” on purpose to see what is your respond,you use the smallest mistake in a long question to avoid answering it,your words betrayed you (they hate you lol).

      • Can you tell me my mistakes?pretty please??

        “What is the explanation of ‘a’ dream that had a prophet’ in’ it named Muhammad and he had the same characterization in every single dream that he appeared in?”

      • Even if I learned English,you’d keep spamming because you don’t read,you will start your trash talk again.

        Disbelievers on believe after all……

  27. Just admit it,you can’t answer,you lost already.

    Telling me that I don’t understand English?
    I don’t think so,I think that you are the one who lacks English skills for not answering a clear question.

    You are embarrassing yourself,you understand what I am saying but you won’t admit it,so stop complaining and start writing.

    By the way,I am using my iPhone while writing this,So Most of my mistakes came from my iPhone auto-correct system

  28. Proof that: “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together”. Colossians1:17.
    …”Every knee will bow..every tongue will acknowledge God (Jesus, he that was dead but now liveth forever and ever)”.
    Praise our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
    It doesn’t matter whether you believe in fire…it still burns.

  29. OMG This comment thread is tooooooooo long.

    I made the mistake of reading posts on Facebook from former Christians friends from back in high school and saw this idiotic thing; then came here to find out that, yes, they are still totally ignorant of how the world works.

    I like that you put together a nice explanation and even photos of how real proteins look. then I looked at your comment thread. Holy shit! Crazy amount of infuriating fundamentalists who feel they…need to defend this meme?

    Yea I don’t get it. I’m not reading all that. OMG, I so don’t want to return to America.

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